My Standing Challenge To Open Border Libertarians

Having argued with open border libertarians (outside of this site) for long enough, I’ll leave a simple challenge from now on:

First, I’ll define “open borders” as: The unrestricted flow of humans on state-controlled land in and out of a political jurisdiction, irrespective of the internal and external factors involved.

So here’s the question (heh):

If open borders are the proper libertarian position and will result in greater freedom within the defined area where said open borders exist, why do Progressives and Leftists, i.e. people who favor greater government control over all aspects of life, adamantly support open borders for the USA and make it a major plank of their party platform? Why did Hillary Clinton say (in private) “I support open borders”?

There are only three possible hypothesis:

  • Because in this rare instance they actually favor reduced government control for a variety of potential reasons.
  • Because they mistakenly think it will lead to greater government power, when it won’t.
  • Because they act in self-interest and believe (as all evidence shows) that open borders results in people entering the jurisdiction of the USA who are more likely to support and vote for their preferred policies expanding the power of the state.

In other words, it’s Occam’s Razor v. Open Border Libertarians.

I could also ask them how open borders has worked toward making California a libertarian paradise, but that would simply belabor the point.

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6 Responses to My Standing Challenge To Open Border Libertarians

  1. Nice. The last option is of course the correct one.

    I like the challenge that Bionic Mosquito has given them as well: advocate open borders for Israel. I guess a lot of the open border libertarians are Jewish.

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    • The Question says:

      I like the challenge that Bionic Mosquito has given them as well: advocate open borders for Israel. I guess a lot of the open border libertarians are Jewish.

      As I’ve said many times in private conversations, once you take the open borders debate to a country outside the West, you see the coding in the Matrix and realize the scam being played. Westerns are simply held to totally separate standards than anyone else in the rest of the world, ironically by the same people who claim everyone is the same.

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    • The Question says:

      The sad truth is that much of the discussion is rooted in one side unwilling or intentionally hiding their true opinions. Secure border advocates point out all the problems with open borders, and open border advocates are quietly thinking “well, I don’t think that’s really such a bad thing because such and such happen to so and so people, so this is recompense.” But they can’t say that, so they rationalize or re-frame the discussion.

      But it’s also why they don’t care about the borders or immigration policy of any non-Western nation.

      By the way, we saw this with Trump’s “shithole countries” debate. The same people who cried bloody murder over it and insisted those countries aren’t shitholes are the same ones who insist people from those countries be allowed in. If I live in a nice house, why am I so anxious to enter my neighbor’s home to the point where I sneak in illegally?

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      • “If I live in a nice house, why am I so anxious to enter my neighbor’s home to the point where I sneak in illegally?”

        Exactly. Anywhere there is net emigration rather than net immigration, probably is either a shit-hole or it is on the way to becoming one. Illinois, for example, is certainly on it’s way.

        People from other countries will cry about how great their culture is even when they themselves abandoned it, often leaving family and friends (especially mothers and fathers to fend for themselves into old age), just so they themselves could have a better life.

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