The Future Role Of Libertarianism

Vox Day was gracious enough to respond to my analysis of his 16 Points of the Alt. Right. I’m pleased to see the conversation moving forward, because I think it is important for us to know where exactly we disagree and where we see eye to eye. I don’t mind a chasm between libertarianism and the Alt. Right, but I insist that our disagreements be accurately conveyed. And the more I read and listen to those on the Alt. Right, the more I find commonalities rather than irreconcilable differences.

VD made a very profound observation we libertarians should consider well:

The core conflict between libertarianism and the Alt-Right is that the Alt-Right is perfectly willing to crush individual liberties if that is necessary to preserve Western civilization and the European nations. And that is something that libertarians are going to have to accept if they are going to remain intellectually relevant in any way, because for all that the nation-state is a necessary evil, it is to be vastly preferred to the multinational state or the global state.

And those are the three options on offer at present.

I expect most libertarians to eventually gravitate to the Alt-Right, simply because the latter is both viable and coherent, while the former is not. I hope you will note that I don’t say that with contempt, but rather, with regret.

I have reached a similar conclusion, with similar regret. However painful this conversation may be for libertarians to have, it’s something that needs to happen. History makes it clear that life choices during times such as these are not simple.

Robert E. Lee fought for the Confederacy during the Civil War despite being anti-secession and anti-slavery, because the alternative was either participating in or passively tolerating the military invasion of his home state, neither of which were morally acceptable options for him.

I have no doubt that libertarians will face a similarly vexing situation in the near future, but the current mindset I see is the equivalent to thinking the North wouldn’t have invaded and slavery would have ended if Robert E. Lee had just stayed home.

Such thinking is how we become irrelevant to those facing the same moral conundrum.

To libertarians horrified at Vox Day’s observations, I would only ask what our actual, real life choices are. To do nothing or to simply discuss these things within the safe confines of social media means we allow men of action to determine our fates.

As Aragon said in The Two Towers: open war is upon you, whether you would risk it or not. So what are we going to do?

Never forget who the enemy is, and that is neo-Babel globalism in which all differences between all forms of identity are erased through the same brutal measures as every totalitarian regime in history has used to enforce their decrees. Men who are willing to fight for the West against this foe deserve support when attacked, not nitpicking or critiquing by people who won’t fight themselves.

A great flaw among libertarian thinking is that we are in total control over the circumstances in which our choices are made. This is the product of too much hypothetical, theoretical thinking. If we don’t like the options before us, we make amendments to the hypothetical until it offers a clear, morally umambigous path without forcing us to compromise our values.

There is not, and never was, a purely libertarian solution to what we face. Sadly, times of great crisis are when nuance and subtleties we strive for are least desired or appreciated.

The best hope for the future of libertarian is to act like Aristotle to whatever Alexander the Great happens to take over by curbing their rashness and tempering their harsh political policies whenever possible.

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6 Responses to The Future Role Of Libertarianism

  1. Gunner Q says:

    There was never going to be a purely libertarian solution to what is essentially a moral conflict. Neither does the alt-Right have a solution, preferring victory to morality (or as they call it, principled defeat). We aren’t getting the West back without both power and virtue, and nobody seems to have both on offer.

    Power sans virtue is, as always, more likely to win than virtue sans power.

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  3. TomA says:

    Both you and Vox Day clearly favor a realist view of the world and seem to think that “tough talk” is somehow tied to a realistic solution to our current problems in society. I would argue that the future is always unknown and the first priority should be to seriously improve your own robustness such that you can meet that unknown with good prospects for success. To restate this point with more clarity.

    Assume for the moment that you can, If fact, talk your way into a Libertarian or Alt-right Utopia; but once there you find yourself in the company of a hive-minded herd of sheeple that can’t tie their shoelaces without an instruction manual.

    Overcoming tangible hardship is a necessary precursor to fitness selection and evolutionary advancement. This is not accomplished by being the very best whiner on the planet.

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    • The Question says:

      Both you and Vox Day clearly favor a realist view of the world and seem to think that “tough talk” is somehow tied to a realistic solution to our current problems in society.

      It’s not so much “tough talk” I favor as frankness and honesty. Pretending things aren’t happening that are, means that we can’t have honest dialogue.

      I would argue that the future is always unknown and the first priority should be to seriously improve your own robustness such that you can meet that unknown with good prospects for success.

      I would agree. Men need to be prepared for tough times, mentally, physically, emotionally, and psychologically. They should learn practical skills and knowledge that make them useful to a group.

      Assume for the moment that you can, If fact, talk your way into a Libertarian or Alt-right Utopia; but once there you find yourself in the company of a hive-minded herd of sheeple that can’t tie their shoelaces without an instruction manual.

      Which is why a libertarian utopia is as dangerous a belief as Marxism. I don’t think there will be an Alt-Right utopia, either. The critical element when forming a new nation will be determining who should be allowed in and who should be allowed to stay. The people who can’t tie their shoelaces should be either removed or barred from entering. Or, they should be prohibited from holding any political power.

      Overcoming tangible hardship is a necessary precursor to fitness selection and evolutionary advancement. This is not accomplished by being the very best whiner on the planet.

      Hard times create strong men, indeed. I would differentiate between whining and highlighting significant problems in need of solutions. I’ve worked hard to do the latter on this blog over the past three years.

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      • TomA says:

        In your judgement, which is the more clear and present danger?

        1. Tyranny arises in the USA.

        2. Our society and culture continues to devolve as a consequence of internet/cellphone addiction, rampant obesity, decline of the active labor force, and the near extinction of existential hardship in daily life.

        In other words, is political dysfunction really the core problem?

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      • The Question says:

        In other words, is political dysfunction really the core problem?

        It’s a hard question to answer in this given space, but it really depends on the manner in which tyranny arises. What bothers me so much isn’t our circumstances but the intense denial by all involved about what is happening. As a result, no one wants to take action in some meaningful way. I’m not even referring to political activism. I’m talking about self-improvement or some sort of lifestyle change in order to remove these unhealthy elements from our lives.

        It’s why I’ve concluded that an economic correction is needed that puts an end to all the unnatural aspects of our modern day life. Until that happens, they can just delay the inevitable.

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